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Why isn't Wall Street in Jail

Wed Mar 2, 2011 5:52 PM EST
By Becks72
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This thought provoking article explains why the out rage against banks and Wall Street http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216?print=true

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Becks72

This isn't hate against wealth it is disgust of legal thievery.

  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Mar 2, 2011 5:54 PM EST
ERich-356044

Good point!

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Wed Mar 2, 2011 7:41 PM EST
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Becks72

Where are all the loyal Republicans who want to dispute the facts with propaganda and hate.

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Mar 3, 2011 3:56 PM EST
Citizen Kane-473667

As for President Obama, what is there to be said? Goldman Sachs was his number-one private campaign contributor. He put a Citigroup executive in charge of his economic transition team, and he just named an executive of JP Morgan Chase, the proud owner of $7.7 million in Chase stock, his new chief of staff.

Damn Republicans! I'm glad the Democrats have absolutely nothing to do with the fiasco. It isn't like they were at the helm shortly after the collapse or threw away any chance of actually jailing any of these guys.........

You do know there is a National protest scheduled for tomorrow against banks and wall street right?

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Sun Mar 6, 2011 11:57 AM EST
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George from NYC

In answer to the title question, I believe that these guys are not in jail because Bush and the whitehouse would look very bad if people found out how all this was handled.

It's a national embarassment.

Paulson (ex goldman guy) was in the whitehouse advising president Bush on what to do. I'm sure before he was allowed to act, Paulson was given a "get out of jail free" card. What I cannot believe, is just how many ex-goldman people were involved in the decision making and how many ex-goldman people (Geitner) still have positions of power. How this is not a huge conflict of interest is beyond me.

The above mentioned article is the best one I've read on the whole fiasco. Taibbi does a great job of explaining, in laymen terms, what went on.

I am a former derivatives trader, and amongst people in the trading community, we are stunned with what these people got away with.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Mar 3, 2011 4:14 PM EST
TryCommonSense-2821193

Unfortunately it is time for my fellow card carrying Liberals to accept that the Democratic Party, while still the lesser of two evils, has a horrible track record on this issue. They are accepting cash from Wall Street as fast as they can stuff it into their pockets right beside the Republicans. This is no longer about "party", if it ever was; this is about economic class and the war that has been very quietly waged for the past several decades by the wealthy against the middle class. And when I say wealthy, I don't mean the $200,000 a year crowd. That's not wealthy anymore. I'm talking about the Super-Rich; those making more millions a year than you are thousands. You suggest taxing the wealthy, or even oppose a tax cut for them, and you are derided as engaging in class warfare and being divisive. They, on the other hand, don't talk about it at all. They simply and quietly wage it. And right now they are winning BIG!

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Mon Jul 4, 2011 10:11 PM EDT
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Becks72

And who said that crime does not pay !

  • 6 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Mar 3, 2011 4:56 PM EST
bore-head007

http://gozounlimited.newsvine.com/_news/2011/03/02/6172838-why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-rolling-stones-matt-taibbi-answers-the-question-so-well-there-is-no-room-for-doubt

Same article, same statement.

wow

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Thu Mar 3, 2011 6:22 PM EST
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Overlord1

They have all the time in the world,all the money in the world and all the lawyers in the world which even the government can't compete with especially since o many of the government are owned by the banks,brokers and lobbyists as well as th right wing lie machine to guarantee these guys won't get what they deserve.

  • 6 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Mar 4, 2011 1:36 AM EST
featheredserpent

That is right Overlord, they, in fact , are the government.

  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:45 AM EDT
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Becks72

To take back our government we first have to take back our free press and prevent politicians from tampering with the internet.

  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Fri Mar 4, 2011 8:22 AM EST
Allen Coat

I have been asking that same question, I was disappointed there were no Congressional hearing on banks when the Democrats held the majority. The Republicans and some Democrats protect the banks, because they don't want the public to know their personal involvement. All we need to do in re-install the Glass - Steagall Act and make a bank a bank, and investment company an investment company, and an insurance company an insurance company with no collusion between the three.

  • 5 votes
Reply#7 - Sat Mar 5, 2011 12:07 AM EST
featheredserpent

In addition to what you stated, we need to break up corporate monopolies! Not just banks and investment firms, all that have become "too big to fail"

  • 4 votes
#7.1 - Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:36 AM EDT
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Becks72

I totally agree the loss of the Glass-Steagall Act was a major victory for the ruling elite. Compounded by the silencing due to the failure of the FCC to protect us from corporate take over of the media.

  • 5 votes
Reply#8 - Sun Mar 6, 2011 11:12 AM EST
featheredserpent

I agree Becks, but I also think the the recent supreme court ruling, Citizens United, giving corporations person-hood will prove to be far more detrimental to the average American. Someone pointed out recently, on the Vine, that there are plenty of regulatory laws on the books but if they are not enforced-------well, you have the situation we are now caught up in in this country. Greed rules everything now.

  • 3 votes
Reply#9 - Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:53 AM EDT
TryCommonSense-2821193

Unfortunately folks, this isn't "recent. The Supreme Court ruled in the 1886 case, Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad, that Corporations have 14th Amendment rights. The wealthy actually used the Constitutional Amendment passed to protect the right of the newly freed slaves to line their own pockets. The "Citizens" ruling just relied on that one and combined it with an expansion of the 1976 Buckley v. Valeo case that ruled that money was free speech to eliminate any restraints and open the floodgates entirely for the rich.

It is now officially the position of the United States Supreme Court that anyone with sufficient funds has a Constitutionally protected right, under the 1st and 14th Amendments, to bribe the United States Congress and the President of the United States.

  • 2 votes
#9.1 - Mon Jul 4, 2011 10:03 PM EDT
retired military ex republican.

And bribe any Judge, Court wives of Judges and wives of Politicians that about covers it also girlfriends like lobbyist for chineese paper companies. Ohio Republican Lobbyist hero. Just ask bonner she is bonefied.

    #9.2 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:01 PM EDT
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    Becks72

    "giving corporations person-hood will prove to be far more detrimental to the average American". Person-hood with a total tax exemption ! All of the benefits and non of the costs.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#10 - Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:57 AM EDT
    featheredserpent

    Exactly! They are the government now. This isn't a representative republic any longer , its a corporate oligarchy where only the corporations get any representation in Washington and it is rapidly becoming that bad on the State level.

    • 3 votes
    #10.1 - Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:19 AM EDT
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    danny-3140462

    But steal some aluminum siding and go to jail. I read about poor people trying to steal so they can pay the rent and off they go to jail.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#11 - Sun Jun 5, 2011 10:27 AM EDT
    retired military ex republican.

    Tried to turn one in called police in Dayton vicinity on man stealing a Central air unit carrying down the street on a heavy duty two wheeler. police never showed up. Go figure they arrest occupy protesters fast enough and thats legal.

    • 1 vote
    #11.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:05 PM EDT
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    Becks72

    When we allow so much corruption from five hundred and forty five people we elect it is time for new and different political parties and agendas.

    http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0403-10.htm

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/feds-secret-loans-to-banking-giants-revealed-20110526-1f5zb.html

    http://www.ctj.org/pdf/12corps060111.pdf

    • 2 votes
    Reply#12 - Sun Jun 5, 2011 10:34 AM EDT
    retired military ex republican.

    Really nice Becks 72 thanks.

      #12.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:06 PM EDT
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      TryCommonSense-2821193

      Until and unless we take the money out of politics there is no chance of reform. The current system that allows any special interest to donate obscene amounts of money to either (or both) side(s) of the aisle while pretending that it won't influence their decision-making is insulting to the intelligence of a 1st grader. A Constitutional Amendment that 1) Revokes Corporate "personhood", and 2) Stipulates that money is NOT speech and that political contributions may be restricted to any degree desirable would be a wonderful start. Personally I would love to see a system of publicly funded elections put in place with every candidate provided with, and restricted to, the exact same amount of funding. All the special interest group advertising should be prohibited within "X" months of an election. Then you would have much more balanced and fair elections where, God forbid, the issues and candidates matter more than just who can outspend the other.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#13 - Mon Jul 4, 2011 10:42 PM EDT
      Citizen Kane-473667

      I would love to see a system of publicly funded elections put in place with every candidate provided with, and restricted to, the exact same amount of funding.

      I have proposed a system in the past where a 1% tax is added to all advertising with the funds placed into a special account and divided equally among the candidates. I would even go so far as to give it all to them up front at the time of registering to run. What better way to see just how good they are at budgeting for a long haul?

      • 1 vote
      #13.1 - Tue Jul 5, 2011 12:41 AM EDT
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      Becks72

      Many countries limit the time for campaigning too which has a side effect of reducing spending. Our politicians start campaigning the day after they are elected instead of doing their jobs.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#14 - Tue Jul 5, 2011 9:17 AM EDT
      retired military ex republican.

      Damned good question but we know the Supreme Court is on the take, Congress is on the take and Senate as well. Will the honest politician please stand up. Ok OK stand up. Well well I didn't think there was any left. Cleanse the politicaians in November if nothing else it will give some one new a chance to get filthy rich.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#15 - Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:20 PM EDT
      Becks72

      To fix the problem do we try and restore a free and independent media? Boycott the present corporate propaganda machine? Start petitions to outlaw lobbyists? Or make it illegal to bribe our politicians or their families? Term limits, code of conduct? How do we take the vast amounts of money out of politics? Get elected by powers that now own you, do their bidding and become filthy rich. We are no longer a government of and for the people but how do we fix it or is it too late?

      • 2 votes
      Reply#16 - Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:44 AM EDT
      retired military ex republican.

      I lay awake nights asking myself that very question it used to be you cut off the serpents head. Now we are dealing with a Medusa. The fan has become a propeller gurgling in the dung.

      • 1 vote
      #16.1 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:57 PM EDT
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      Becks72

      Who said crime doesn't pay hasn't looked at American politicians. The Cheney-Halliburton story is the classic military-industrial revolving door tale. As Secretary of Defense under Bush I, Cheney paid Brown and Root services (now Kellogg Brown and Root) $3.9 million to report on how private companies could help the U.S. Army as Cheney cut hundreds of thousands of Army jobs. Then Brown and Root won a five-year contract to provide logistics for the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers all over the globe. In 1995, Cheney became CEO and Halliburton jumped from 73rd to 18th on the Pentagon's list of top contractors, benefiting from at least $3.8 billion in federal contracts and taxpayer-insured loans, according to the Center for Public Integrity.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#17 - Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:58 PM EDT
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